Post by dajavoo on Sept 4, 2010 8:05:06 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Here's an analysis that won't be in MSM.[/glow]
Peace Talks Merry-go-round
Israel - Middle East
Friday, September 03, 2010
Alf Cengia www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6863
Fresh from his Martha’s Vineyard vacation, Barack Obama will hit the ground running by hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. By the time you read this article more Middle East peace talks will, presumably have taken place.
Does anyone else get a strong sense of déjà vu?
Other Middle East leaders will also be attending in what will probably comprise several meetings. Jordan’s King Abdullah, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and the Middle East quartet representative Tony Blair are all scheduled attendees. The six-way meeting aims to re-ignite peace talks that have all but stalled in the last two years.
President Obama hopes the meeting will indicate a return to the table by all parties in the hopes of making some progress to a two-state solution. In this he is no different to beleaguered US President’s who have been there done that before him. Given the numerous problems that continue to confound him, a coup of this kind would be especially welcome as he stares down the bleak November election trail.
According to Ma’an News Agency:
“The Egyptian government on Sunday cautioned the Palestinian Authority against wasting time before arriving at a peace deal with Israel, Arabic-language media reported.”
The Gaza Egypt border problems would have been prominent in Mubarak’s mind. How a solution between the PA and Israel would alleviate border issues remains obscure to me.
Speaking of which, a notable absentee is Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya. It seems that he’s not happy with the talks; calling for an uprising against them even before they happen. He’s probably peeved about not getting an invitation. Whatever the case, he appears to be particularly upset with the rival Palestinian Authority. According to YNet news:
“He (Khalil al-Hayya) said the talks were an excuse for the Palestinian government to allow Israel "to wipe out the Palestinian issue, continue Judaizing (sic) Jerusalem, continue building settlements, and erase the Palestinian right of return".”
He added that Abbas and his negotiating team did not “represent Palestine, Jerusalem, the refugees, or al-Aqsa” and that Hamas would not recognize any signed by the “Zionist enemy”. Turning to Israel, he warned that Hamas continues to grow stronger, that Israel’s existence is on the verge of disappearing and that they should prepare for the final banishment from Palestine.
That doesn’t sound like he’s seeking a Two State solution. But at least he’s honest. Of course, talk like that will guarantee exclusion from Oval Office invitations. And rhetoric of this kind might also lead someone to the conclusion that Abbas and the Palestinian Authority are objective moderates.
After all, they are seeking a Two State solution – correct?
Abbas is the last of the original Fatah members and Arafat’s successor. Back in 2003 he resigned as Palestinian Prime Minister after a long power struggle with Arafat. But he also cited both Israel and the then US President George W Bush for undermining his government and sabotaging his peace efforts.
While not exactly a holocaust denier, he is well-known for his doctoral thesis denying the extent of the number of Jews killed. He claims:
“It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand."
More recently he seems to have back-pedaled, wanting to be seen as being more moderate, "I have no desire to argue with the figures. The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind."
Moderate or not even before the talks Abbas warned that Israel would be responsible for their failure or collapse if it continues expanding settlements in “Palestinian territories”. Already Israel is being set up as a scapegoat and the terms defined. Ultimately it’s about taking all of the land not just so-called “occupied territories”.
Benny Begin, son of former Prime Minister Menachem Begin declared that the PA is after a Two Stage solution rather than a Two State solution. He reasons that there is no rational reason for rejecting the "far-reaching proposals" offered by previous Israeli Governments. I think he's right.
According to Begin:
"...the Palestine Liberation Organizations seeks the liberation of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which is why its true aim is not a two-state solution but a two-stage solution. In stage one it tries to push Israel to the 1949 armistice lines. In stage two, it will push for the insertion of hundreds of thousands of refugees into the State of Israel, to liberate Palestine."
Joseph Puder, writing for FrontPageMag, likened Abbas' new methodology to Hilter;s strategy for acquiring Czechoslovakia. Hilter sent out all the right peace illusions to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Yet he provoked the Sudeten-Germans within Czechoslovakia against their own country. Abbas is similarly goading Palestinians via Mosques and schools while proclaiming that he wants a peaceful resolution.
Abbas many have modified his rhetoric as far as the world is concerned but his commitments and goals remain unchanged. History should teach us that there's no room for Israel in the Palestinian leaders' minds - whether it's Hamas or the PA. The peace talks will go on and on and on without resolution.
President Obama may even consider taking another break after the latest rounds.
Peace Talks Merry-go-round
Israel - Middle East
Friday, September 03, 2010
Alf Cengia www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6863
Fresh from his Martha’s Vineyard vacation, Barack Obama will hit the ground running by hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. By the time you read this article more Middle East peace talks will, presumably have taken place.
Does anyone else get a strong sense of déjà vu?
Other Middle East leaders will also be attending in what will probably comprise several meetings. Jordan’s King Abdullah, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and the Middle East quartet representative Tony Blair are all scheduled attendees. The six-way meeting aims to re-ignite peace talks that have all but stalled in the last two years.
President Obama hopes the meeting will indicate a return to the table by all parties in the hopes of making some progress to a two-state solution. In this he is no different to beleaguered US President’s who have been there done that before him. Given the numerous problems that continue to confound him, a coup of this kind would be especially welcome as he stares down the bleak November election trail.
According to Ma’an News Agency:
“The Egyptian government on Sunday cautioned the Palestinian Authority against wasting time before arriving at a peace deal with Israel, Arabic-language media reported.”
The Gaza Egypt border problems would have been prominent in Mubarak’s mind. How a solution between the PA and Israel would alleviate border issues remains obscure to me.
Speaking of which, a notable absentee is Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya. It seems that he’s not happy with the talks; calling for an uprising against them even before they happen. He’s probably peeved about not getting an invitation. Whatever the case, he appears to be particularly upset with the rival Palestinian Authority. According to YNet news:
“He (Khalil al-Hayya) said the talks were an excuse for the Palestinian government to allow Israel "to wipe out the Palestinian issue, continue Judaizing (sic) Jerusalem, continue building settlements, and erase the Palestinian right of return".”
He added that Abbas and his negotiating team did not “represent Palestine, Jerusalem, the refugees, or al-Aqsa” and that Hamas would not recognize any signed by the “Zionist enemy”. Turning to Israel, he warned that Hamas continues to grow stronger, that Israel’s existence is on the verge of disappearing and that they should prepare for the final banishment from Palestine.
That doesn’t sound like he’s seeking a Two State solution. But at least he’s honest. Of course, talk like that will guarantee exclusion from Oval Office invitations. And rhetoric of this kind might also lead someone to the conclusion that Abbas and the Palestinian Authority are objective moderates.
After all, they are seeking a Two State solution – correct?
Abbas is the last of the original Fatah members and Arafat’s successor. Back in 2003 he resigned as Palestinian Prime Minister after a long power struggle with Arafat. But he also cited both Israel and the then US President George W Bush for undermining his government and sabotaging his peace efforts.
While not exactly a holocaust denier, he is well-known for his doctoral thesis denying the extent of the number of Jews killed. He claims:
“It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand."
More recently he seems to have back-pedaled, wanting to be seen as being more moderate, "I have no desire to argue with the figures. The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind."
Moderate or not even before the talks Abbas warned that Israel would be responsible for their failure or collapse if it continues expanding settlements in “Palestinian territories”. Already Israel is being set up as a scapegoat and the terms defined. Ultimately it’s about taking all of the land not just so-called “occupied territories”.
Benny Begin, son of former Prime Minister Menachem Begin declared that the PA is after a Two Stage solution rather than a Two State solution. He reasons that there is no rational reason for rejecting the "far-reaching proposals" offered by previous Israeli Governments. I think he's right.
According to Begin:
"...the Palestine Liberation Organizations seeks the liberation of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which is why its true aim is not a two-state solution but a two-stage solution. In stage one it tries to push Israel to the 1949 armistice lines. In stage two, it will push for the insertion of hundreds of thousands of refugees into the State of Israel, to liberate Palestine."
Joseph Puder, writing for FrontPageMag, likened Abbas' new methodology to Hilter;s strategy for acquiring Czechoslovakia. Hilter sent out all the right peace illusions to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Yet he provoked the Sudeten-Germans within Czechoslovakia against their own country. Abbas is similarly goading Palestinians via Mosques and schools while proclaiming that he wants a peaceful resolution.
Abbas many have modified his rhetoric as far as the world is concerned but his commitments and goals remain unchanged. History should teach us that there's no room for Israel in the Palestinian leaders' minds - whether it's Hamas or the PA. The peace talks will go on and on and on without resolution.
President Obama may even consider taking another break after the latest rounds.
